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December 28, 2004 at 11:50 am
Bill Arnold has a vision for Emergent...
I finally got the time to read a (fairly) recent post by Bill Arnold about how he envisions Emergent continuing. It has been linked by a couple of people already (here and here that I know of), but they are pretty good thoughts that deserve to be read and discussed.
Read Bill’s post here.
Update: I just read Will Samson‘s thoughts called, “Emergent As A Society?“ (also linked above) and I really like how he elaborates on Bill’s initial ideas. There’s too much thinking to do today!
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okay, well the positive: now, we’re getting clearer. the negative: still no indication of WHAT those particulars are. also, some of the things he said in regards to being a denomination or movement… it defines itself by its operation regardless of what “word” you want to use. and that will clarify not only its purpose but its strengths and weaknesses. we just got the cd’s burned for our show (we are independent radio, DIY so be patient) so i’ll try to get some of that stuff out. also, we will be revisiting this issue with the same guy, Doug Eaton who i still have to contact. also, trying to get Henry Rollins on our show… if that happens, i’ll be stoked.
» Comment by Dennisthemenace () , on December 28, 2004 at 2:16 pm
I didn’t know that Colson was so against Emergent. Before this I really enjoyed his messages and foundationally he is very sound. I do think you would agree though that there can be a balance and should be a balance between the two. I don’t have a problem to a point with Christian post-modern, Emergent or whatever you call it but I do have a problem with secular post-modern. I think that is where there is ambiquity among Colson types and myself. This presents an inaccurate portrayal of Emergent since I understand NOW that the foundations haven’t changed it’s just that we have additional emphesis’s. Beyond the foundations which I believe a majority of all Christians agree with, I have no problem with Emergent. I want so much to see the message of Christ and His apostles reached to as many people possible. What do you think?
» Comment by dh () , on December 28, 2004 at 2:26 pm
Funny story (off-topic) ... I was at the Good Earth (they make amazing fried potatoes!) down there on Ventura Blvd. (I think) one day and I look over to another table and see… Yeah, Henry Rollins sitting there trying to have a conversation with this geeky looking guy — seriously, Henry was not hiding his discomfort with being with this guy.
So, after lunch, I get up the nerve to walk over and say “hi” — I was freaking out I was so nervous; it was weird. So, I walk over and ask if I can interupt. I say that I’m a huge fan and, blah blah blah — who knows what else? (I was actually shaking a little from being nervous.)
And Henry is genuinely happy to see me and shake my hand. I said something dumb like, “My name is Tim Samoff,” and he thanked me for coming over.
When I left the restaurant, I could tell that Henry was a little happier and the geeky guy sitting across from him actually looked impressed by the whole meeting thing. It was kind of funny.
So, after lunch, I get up the nerve to walk over and say “hi” — I was freaking out I was so nervous; it was weird. So, I walk over and ask if I can interupt. I say that I’m a huge fan and, blah blah blah — who knows what else? (I was actually shaking a little from being nervous.)
And Henry is genuinely happy to see me and shake my hand. I said something dumb like, “My name is Tim Samoff,” and he thanked me for coming over.
When I left the restaurant, I could tell that Henry was a little happier and the geeky guy sitting across from him actually looked impressed by the whole meeting thing. It was kind of funny.
» Comment by timsamoff () (URL), on December 28, 2004 at 2:29 pm
More on-topic… I don’t know if Colson is against) Emergent per se… Just a bit mis-informed and skeptical — which is completely understandable. I love it when more “traditional” evangenlicals join in the conversation. That’s exactly what the Emergent movement needs.
One thing that saddens me about all of it, though… Those who are advocates for the emerging church talk on and on about how it is a conversation and how they (we) welcome critique… Which is why I like this “open letter’: http://billarnold.typepad.com/poet_in_mo.. .
One thing that saddens me about all of it, though… Those who are advocates for the emerging church talk on and on about how it is a conversation and how they (we) welcome critique… Which is why I like this “open letter’: http://billarnold.typepad.com/poet_in_mo.. .
» Comment by timsamoff () (URL), on December 28, 2004 at 2:40 pm
“hi, i’m dennis alvey”. haha, that is funny. actually, oddly being that i admire him (on an artisitic level, anyway)i was not nervous at all when i met him. in fact, him and i got into extended conversation after one of his spoken word gigs in santa monica. i felt like was this lucky guy cause it just so happened that his girlfriend struck up a convo with me and i didn’t even know who she was. then he walks up to her and asks if she is hungry… i’m thinkin’ “oh.. she’s waiting for him..” and then he and i talk some more and just have a natural convo and i even walked the both of them to his car. that was a pretty big deal for me when i got home and yet, i realized the starstruck thing had since left me cause i felt like i met this cool guy instead of some guy whose records i own. but i like your story better. “hi, i’m tim samoff”. what? you’re him?! i’ve heard of you!! yes… tim, this is geeky guy… haha.
» Comment by Dennisthemenace () , on December 29, 2004 at 3:16 pm
Yeah, your is a good story too, Dennis — but mine, being very geeky in nature, is much more endearing. 
» Comment by timsamoff () (URL), on December 29, 2004 at 3:27 pm
totally. good times, good times….
» Comment by Dennisthemenace () , on December 29, 2004 at 4:31 pm